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		<title>By: Melissa Roggeveen</title>
		<link>http://herestrouble.com/archive/tipping-sux/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Melissa Roggeveen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 May 2012 03:52:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree! Tipping SUCKS! I often see a &#039;tip&#039; section in restaurants in AUSTRALIA now and it makes me mad! Don&#039;t go there Aussies it&#039;s not as fun as it sounds. I go to the US every year and tipping is a major pain in the butt, everyone&#039;s got their hand out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree! Tipping SUCKS! I often see a &#039;tip&#039; section in restaurants in AUSTRALIA now and it makes me mad! Don&#039;t go there Aussies it&#039;s not as fun as it sounds. I go to the US every year and tipping is a major pain in the butt, everyone&#039;s got their hand out.</p>
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		<title>By: teleburst</title>
		<link>http://herestrouble.com/archive/tipping-sux/comment-page-1/#comment-81</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny thing is there pardner - if you compare menu prices in Sydney and here in the States, you&#039;ll find prices even higher without tipping, even if you take the tax and tipping here into account. Try it yourself. Go to the website of a restaurant chain that has locations here and the States. Say...Outback. Compare a menu from...say Nashville Tennessee and Sydney. Guess what you&#039;re going to find? Well, I won&#039;t tell you. I&#039;ll let you find out for yourself.

And, guess what, if you make the same comparison at Outback between...say Edmonton and nashville, you&#039;ll find that you Canadians are paying about 27% more for a 12 oz ribeye if you include the 5% GST that might or might not be included in the menu price (the menu doesn&#039;t make it clear so I&#039;m going to give you the benefit of the doubt). Of course, here in Nashville, you have a 9.25% tax, so the difference drops to a mere 22.75% higher price than in Music City. Plus, from what I understand, 10 - 15% (as opposed to 15 - 20% in the States) is still a custom in Canada from all that I&#039;ve read, so you&#039;re still &quot;on the hook&quot; for that (obviously, it&#039;s just as &quot;optional&quot; as here in the States, so we have to include both 10% and 15% as a comparison). So now you&#039;re &quot;only&quot; paying an extra 15.75% more than here in the States once you take out the tax and tip issues. Guess why that is? Because Tennessee servers are paid $2.13 an hour while your servers are paid about $11 an hour. And yet, we both make about the same amount of moeny in general. so basically, you&#039;re happy with paying an extra 15% just to eliminate tipping? Gee, that&#039;s a principle that I really can&#039;t get behind. 

Report back when you get the chance about the different prices if you want. And if you really want a shock, go to another &quot;non-tipping society&quot; (Japan) and find out that the 12 oz $21.79 (menu price including tax) ribeye at Outback in Nashville will &quot;only&quot; set you back $34 (including tax) *and* they&#039;re going to tack on a 10% &quot;service charge&quot; on top of that.

Just make sure you do all the requisite currency conversions before you do the comparisons. And take tax into account. On the Japanese menu, it&#039;s not ex-tax and it&#039;s 10% nservice charge.

Hey wait - you mentioned that difference in price yourself:

&quot;I was able to get a satisfying meal for $10. In contrast, last weekend in Sydney, I paid that same amount for a mere tomato bruschetta in a cafe, located on Broadway&quot;.

Care to guess why? Yep, believe it or not, tipping is your friend. It keeps the total cost of your meal down.

I won&#039;t address the other subjective complaints about service. That&#039;s impossible for me to challenge. But ask yourself this - if you got that same &quot;substandard service&quot;, would it be better if you had to pay a fixed amount and lost the option of tipping less if you had desired? My opinion? (and I&#039;m biased as I&#039;m a waiter, but I&#039;m also a diner as well) Hell no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny thing is there pardner &#8211; if you compare menu prices in Sydney and here in the States, you&#8217;ll find prices even higher without tipping, even if you take the tax and tipping here into account. Try it yourself. Go to the website of a restaurant chain that has locations here and the States. Say&#8230;Outback. Compare a menu from&#8230;say Nashville Tennessee and Sydney. Guess what you&#8217;re going to find? Well, I won&#8217;t tell you. I&#8217;ll let you find out for yourself.</p>
<p>And, guess what, if you make the same comparison at Outback between&#8230;say Edmonton and nashville, you&#8217;ll find that you Canadians are paying about 27% more for a 12 oz ribeye if you include the 5% GST that might or might not be included in the menu price (the menu doesn&#8217;t make it clear so I&#8217;m going to give you the benefit of the doubt). Of course, here in Nashville, you have a 9.25% tax, so the difference drops to a mere 22.75% higher price than in Music City. Plus, from what I understand, 10 &#8211; 15% (as opposed to 15 &#8211; 20% in the States) is still a custom in Canada from all that I&#8217;ve read, so you&#8217;re still &#8220;on the hook&#8221; for that (obviously, it&#8217;s just as &#8220;optional&#8221; as here in the States, so we have to include both 10% and 15% as a comparison). So now you&#8217;re &#8220;only&#8221; paying an extra 15.75% more than here in the States once you take out the tax and tip issues. Guess why that is? Because Tennessee servers are paid $2.13 an hour while your servers are paid about $11 an hour. And yet, we both make about the same amount of moeny in general. so basically, you&#8217;re happy with paying an extra 15% just to eliminate tipping? Gee, that&#8217;s a principle that I really can&#8217;t get behind. </p>
<p>Report back when you get the chance about the different prices if you want. And if you really want a shock, go to another &#8220;non-tipping society&#8221; (Japan) and find out that the 12 oz $21.79 (menu price including tax) ribeye at Outback in Nashville will &#8220;only&#8221; set you back $34 (including tax) *and* they&#8217;re going to tack on a 10% &#8220;service charge&#8221; on top of that.</p>
<p>Just make sure you do all the requisite currency conversions before you do the comparisons. And take tax into account. On the Japanese menu, it&#8217;s not ex-tax and it&#8217;s 10% nservice charge.</p>
<p>Hey wait &#8211; you mentioned that difference in price yourself:</p>
<p>&#8220;I was able to get a satisfying meal for $10. In contrast, last weekend in Sydney, I paid that same amount for a mere tomato bruschetta in a cafe, located on Broadway&#8221;.</p>
<p>Care to guess why? Yep, believe it or not, tipping is your friend. It keeps the total cost of your meal down.</p>
<p>I won&#8217;t address the other subjective complaints about service. That&#8217;s impossible for me to challenge. But ask yourself this &#8211; if you got that same &#8220;substandard service&#8221;, would it be better if you had to pay a fixed amount and lost the option of tipping less if you had desired? My opinion? (and I&#8217;m biased as I&#8217;m a waiter, but I&#8217;m also a diner as well) Hell no.</p>
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		<title>By: Personal Finance Buzz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: tipd.com</title>
		<link>http://herestrouble.com/archive/tipping-sux/comment-page-1/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>tipd.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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